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Newsvine first: Snap poll - how satisfied are you with Windows Vista?

Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:36 AM EDT
technology, microsoft, windows, computers, poll, vista, xp, operating-systems
By Dennis M Wright

Live Poll

As a Vista User how satisfied are you with Vista?

View Results
  • 12525
    I think it a fantastic step forward from XP
    5%
  • 12526
    I think it's great but has a few niggles
    16%
  • 12527
    I reckon it's OK but only modestly better than XP
    22%
  • 12528
    It's OK but no better than XP
    11%
  • 12529
    It is a step backward from XP
    10%
  • 12530
    I am seriously aggravated by Vista
    17%
  • 12531
    I hate it - wish I had XP
    19%

VoteTotal Votes: 63

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Vista has been around for a while and there are now a fair few users.

Its reception has been mixed, some users stating they are perfectly happy with it while others have reported problems, but most of this is anecdotal. I have yet to see any kind of formal user satisfaction poll anywhere on-line (please correct me if I'm wrong on that).

So this is possibly a Newsvine first - a snap poll on Vista user satisfaction. If you are a Vista user (by your own definition) please take part in the poll.

I've kept this deliberately very simple and it is not necessarily very scientific. I think it is always going to be difficult to get a completely fair poll in the context of Newsvine (the community has Mac leanings, those most aggrieved with Vista more likely to vote, etc) but it is only supposed to be a quick, informal temperature check.

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Dennis M Wright

I hope all Viners who are Vista users will vote and vote honestly.

I have posted a number of articles on NV which are critical of Vista but I am not out to shove my opinions down anyone's throat. I would like to know, honestly and fairly, and I'm sure others would too, what everyday users of Vista actually make of it.

If you have a particular gripe (or gripes) please add as a comment so we can get a complete picture of what the issues (if any) are. If your gripe is performance related please describe the spec of your PC in simple terms (processor and RAM are the key items)

Similarly, if there is a knockout feature (or features) which has really sold you on Vista, please describe how it makes a difference.

It would also be interesting to hear from anyone who has actively switched to Vista on an existing pre-Vista PC, as opposed to acquiring Vista pre-installed on a new PC.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:55 AM EDT
Matt Schwartz

I'm curious to hear how many have had their computers at work switched to Vista. Has the switch been smooth? Maybe that's a topic for another poll, especially since I'd assume few companies have made the switch yet.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 9:41 AM EDT
WhyIt

We switched just enough to get our discount for meeting a certain quota, and most of the engineers at my company rejected the switch or switched back to XP. We finally met the quota, mostly with our doc developers and project people, who enjoy the effects of the new OS.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 12:20 PM EDT
KyleN

We are a small company (~300 users, ~350 devices) and the other IT manager and I tested Vista business against our suite of applications and found our EMR was not compatible. The company that develops the application was purchased by a competitor and so we are moving to a new platform that can run in Vista. Though Vista support wasn't a major consideration it was made on the application (EMR) features and how well the doctors liked them.

I however liked Vista in all other regards and now run the EMR in a sandbox and stuck with it anyway after the test. Setting up a sandbox though was deemed too complex to push on all the other users. I don't have to work in the EMR directly all that often, my job leans to other things mainly so it's not a big hassle. Everything else I use daily worked fine in Vista without any headaches. That would include netbeans, MM studio MX, access, ms office 07 and openoffice 2.2 (trying to convert people heh), the whole list of web browsers for testing though firefox for most browsing, thunderbird, crimson editor, some telnet and ftp software, etc. Some of it is fairly old, none of it refused to work nor even take special effort.

I like Vista's look and feel, the performance measuring tools built-in, how it handles virtual and physical memory, indexed searching that isn't 3rd party, and it's lack of crashing. So far never crashed it though I program Java often. On my win2k box that preceded this I would crash it while testing code usually once a week. Vista though recovers nice and terminates the offensive software - it will kill my environment (netbeans) but not my whole computer. I also haven't turned it off since I set it up, but I have rebooted it whenever update patches applied themselves. So stability over XP and nt/2k are a major feature I like.

    #1.3 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 4:14 PM EDT
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    Shaun Guidolin

    I voted for I reckon it's OK but only modestly better than XP.

    After using it for a long while now on my main computer and using XP on my laptop I've come to like Vista's features and miss them on XP.

    #1 is the start menu search & layout .. once you have this in Vista it's hard to use XP's system.

    But I also use Object Dock and Opus for my file explorer .. so the difference isn't all that big for me on the whole.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 9:34 AM EDT
    Thura

    I'm curious to hear how many have had their computers at work switched to Vista. Has the switch been smooth? Maybe that's a topic for another poll, especially since I'd assume few companies have made the switch yet.

    Me too I am curious.

    Anyway, I am waiting for SP2 or when they start releasing games that are only on Vista/DX10 - whichever comes first.

      Reply#3 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 10:09 AM EDT
      Benno Hansen

      Check out the news on DX10, my friend. It's marketing.

      • 1 vote
      #3.1 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 11:07 AM EDT
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      Jonathan D. Miller

      I didn't vote... because I use a vastly superior operating system... OS X

      • 6 votes
      Reply#4 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 10:14 AM EDT
      Benno Hansen

      I voted the 'sorta ok' option because I tried it. But I use Linux. With Compiz/Beryl which might be the topic of my next Linux article. If I really wanted to game I'd try installing Wine or Cedega. Hell freezes over before I buy something Microsoft.

      • 4 votes
      #4.1 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 11:10 AM EDT
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      John W

      My new laptop came with Vista. I voted It's ok but no better than xp.

      I have the laptop set up as dual boot, and spend most of my time in Linux.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 11:12 AM EDT
      FreeArrow

      I've been running Vista 32-bit Business edition on my desktop (older Asus motherboard with Athlon 64 3200 running in 32-bit mode) for about three months now. This machine was previously a dual-boot XP Pro/Kubuntu Linux machine, but I wiped the OS partitions of the hard drive for the Vista install. Initially, I had problems with the update mechanism, which completely broke my networking setup whenever I ran it. So for about two months I used Vista without updating it (finally, I got up the nerve to try again, and it works now).

      I have had minor problems locating and installing the proper drivers for my Nvidia GeForce 6200 and Sound Blaster Audigy 2 LS cards, but they both seem to be working fine now (except for some seemingly-random buzzing sounds in some games). The system felt VERY sluggish with only 512 MB of RAM, and Guild Wars was nearly unplayable, but after I upgraded to 2 GB of RAM, the system feels much faster and Guild Wars works fine.

      I still have minor problems with the networking setup. It seems to have trouble seeing my internet connection when I first boot the machine. After I suspend or leave it for a while, it works fine. I'm not sure if this is a problem with the DHCP client or what, but it's not a huge deal. The reorganization of the Control Panel has taken some getting used to, but in general things haven't been too hard to find (it does seem to be very difficult to get to the "Network Connections" browser quickly, so I've created a shortcut on my desktop for it).

      I must admit that the Aero interface is very pretty, and I like the new diagnostic tools, which seem much more useful than anything Windows has ever had before. My Microsoft media keyboard, Logitech G5 mouse, and Logitech Rumblepad 2 have all worked without a problem, including the special drivers. My LG 20.1" widescreen LCD display is fully supported and looks gorgeous under Vista.

      So I guess that's my main impression of Vista so far: it's pretty and there are no major show-stopping problems, but lots of minor irritations that keep it from being appropriate for the mainstream yet, especially the upgrade audience and those with older peripherals. I feel the "upgrade" is inevitable, though...it's just a matter of time.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#6 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 11:46 AM EDT
      Faruk Ates

      I voted that I am seriously aggravated by Vista.

      I have it installed on my Macbook Pro via Boot Camp (and access it through Parallels as well), but either way, I really don't like it.

      Interface: the interface is hell. It's clogged up with information EVERYWHERE, making me tired just looking at it (the cognitive load is through the roof!)

      Speed: it doesn't feel particularly snappy or smooth, despite being a nearly clean install. If I boot into it, I get Aero which looks kinda neat but doesn't actually add any value nor does it streamline the interface. My Vista performance score is 4.9 (out of 5) so I know it's not a case of low specs (I have a MBP with 2GB of Ram, so I'd certainly hope so!)

      Usability: well, Vista refuses to let me use my 23" display as a primary monitor, forcing games onto the smaller notebook screen and opening every new app window in it, too. I have yet to figure out why this is as the display settings dialogs offer no information or help, they just refuse to let me configure it. Checkbox is there, it's just not clickable. This is but one example of how lousy my experience with it has been so far.

      All things considered, I've not used Vista much at all but the main reason for that is that I try to avoid it as much as possible. I can't imagine having to do a lot of work on it.

      (btw, yes, sure, I'm terribly biased towards Macs. However, if you'd have given me this finished Vista experience two years ago before I got biased towards Macs, I'd have said the exact same thing)

      • 2 votes
      Reply#7 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 12:27 PM EDT
      Tim Baxter

      Faruk, you're scaring me... I need to install windows on my macbook for testing. Vista sounds lame, but I'm worried if I install XP I'll just be paying for and installing an obsolete system. May as well just install Win 98.

      • 1 vote
      #7.1 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 12:37 PM EDT
      gecko85

      @Tim -

      You'll be fine with XP. It will be the primary OS in the corporate world for several more years. I know that my company isn't planning to move to Vista any time soon...if ever. We just purchased 2,000 new machines (won't ship until late August) and made sure XP was installed on every one.

      • 1 vote
      #7.2 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 12:48 PM EDT
      Tim Baxter

      Yeah, I know I SHOULD be fine, but there's still that voice in the back of my head.

      Of course, I still haven't quite come to grips with the idea of paying for Windows at all.

      • 1 vote
      #7.3 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 12:55 PM EDT
      hemphill

      Obsolete is a relative term, if it still meets your needs for the system, it's not obsolete it's good enough. There is still a huge install base of windows 95 and 98 floating around. I personally use 2000 for anything that requires windows, it works well enough.

      • 1 vote
      #7.4 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 1:20 PM EDT
      Tim Baxter

      For me, it's not a relative term at all... I need the most common install for testing. Luckily, that'll probably be XP running either IE6 or 7 for at least another year.

      • 2 votes
      #7.5 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 1:39 PM EDT
      hemphill

      That bites. I still have to cope with IE5 users which is anooying in itself.

      • 1 vote
      #7.6 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:55 PM EDT
      Tim Baxter

      I just can't make a business case for giving IE5 users any more than rudimentary support. They're just too far back, and the resources to support them would (a) hold back what I can do for 99.9 percent of the folks and (b) never be recouped. Sorry, but if you're on IE5, it's time to upgrade your browser.

      • 2 votes
      #7.7 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:21 PM EDT
      hemphill

      I agree. I just wish they would.

        #7.8 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:34 PM EDT
        Tim Baxter

        Well, I also, have my handy-dandy 'hey-you-luddite-how-about-joining-the-rest-of-us-in-this-century" code that feeds them a page that looks and acts like 1996. If they're still on IE5 or Netscape 4, they probably miss the web looking that way.

          #7.9 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:40 PM EDT
          Faruk Ates

          IE5 and IE5.5 market share has dropped to below 2% now, if not already below 1%, Worldwide.

          There's no real reason to support them anymore. It's like supporting IE5/mac or Opera 7 or even 8 — it's nice if you can do it, but don't spend too much time on it 'cos that's a waste.

            #7.10 - Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:10 AM EDT
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            tom

            i wish i could vote in the poll, only, i gave up on Windows at WinXP. once Vista came out and i knew i'd eventually be forced to upgrade all of my machines to Vista, i began switching everything to Max OS X.

            i needed to get off of the Windows Upgrade Treadmill™

            • 6 votes
            Reply#8 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 1:18 PM EDT
            Adam Hobson

            But then aren't you forced to upgrade all of your OS Xs to 10.5 and then a year later 10.6, etc, etc.

            You can say a ton of bad things about Vista, and I have, but at least XP was a good OS from 2001 to even right now. I've gone through three computers, but only one copy of XP.

            • 2 votes
            #8.1 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 1:53 PM EDT
            Matt Schwartz

            I've gone through three computers, but only one copy of XP.

            You should re-read the EULA (you did read it the first time, right?). Your license does not permit you to do this. If you actually paid for every license you're supposed to I don't think you'd feel the same about OS X.

            • 2 votes
            #8.2 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:07 PM EDT
            Adam Hobson

            Well I did build 'em myself, bought an OEM copy and every computer used at least one part from the previous, so if we wanted to get technical I only upgraded the same computer twice ;-)

            Besides, the OEM price of XP Pro really isn't all that much more than an upgrade copy of OS X. Add up what it costs to go from 10.1 all the way to 10.4 and you'll see what I mean. And if you bought a new computer with a recent OS X in the middle of all that, its not like you got it for free, the price was part of the system.

            This is nothing against OS X, I hope to own it once 10.5 comes out, I just thing that Windows XP was and still is a pretty @!$%#ing good OS. I've never had a problem with it, save for my only faults when I screw up installing hardware :-)

            Now Vista on the other hand, I see very little to make me want it besides an improved search and eye candy (not to mention the need to double my RAM for the same performance as XP). I think Vista will go down in history as the worst MS OS besides Windows Me.

            • 1 vote
            #8.3 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:16 PM EDT
            Tim Baxter

            Adam, no, you're not forced to upgrade, although OS X has come a long way since the early versions. Today, 10.2 is still pretty usable, 10.3 is quite usable, and 10.4 is, of course, current. When 10.5 comes out, I'll PROBABLY upgrade my laptop, but I'll be leaving my eMac on 10.4, even though - unlike Microsoft - Apple allows me to install the OS pretty much as much as I want.

            Also, realize that 10.2 is now a 5-year-old OS.

            • 3 votes
            #8.4 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:19 PM EDT
            Adam Hobson

            Also, realize that 10.2 is now a 5-year-old OS.

            XP is at 7 ;-)

            I think the usability of 10.2 depends on your environment. It has major flaws in getting along with a Windows network. Even 10.3 had trouble with a Windows domain network environment. Hell, domains are still the weakness of 10.4 as well. 10.4 can connect to the domain, but if you use a profile for that domain, you can't log into your computer when you are not connected to the domain. XP uses a cache to allow you to log into a domain profile when you are disconnected from it.

            Of course 10.4 does make up for that by phenomenal support for wireless networks.

              #8.5 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:51 PM EDT
              Tim Baxter

              XP may be at 7, but would you really recommend anyone use any version prior to SP2?

              • 2 votes
              #8.6 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:55 PM EDT
              Adam Hobson

              No, but SP2 is free :-)

              • 1 vote
              #8.7 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:11 PM EDT
              Jonathan D. Miller

              Also you don't have to upgrade EVERY single time, just when you want. I went from 10.1 to 10.3, skipping Jaguar entirely. 10.4 I got eventually, but it was at least 4 or 5 months after it came out. For Leopard though, I'll be in line opening night for my copy.

              • 1 vote
              #8.8 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:12 PM EDT
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              oldfogey

              I notice the price of new computers with XP on board is inching up. I will be buying a new one soon, I will make sure it has Vista Home Premium as a minimum but if I can get more advance hardware I may stay with XP.

                Reply#10 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:44 PM EDT
                Deep_Thought

                I run Vista Home Premium as my main OS on my laptop, here are some of the experiences I have had (Note: My computer is fully patched):

                1. File I/O - Unzipping a file with around 4,000 embedded files (168MB) takes 23 minutes via the OS. The same procedure using Winzip 8.1 takes 57 seconds.
                2. Upgrading my laptop to 2GB ram produced random reboots when trying to update the 'Windows experience Index'. After gaining some form of stability, trying to click the update button resulted in the process being run silently and a second click would crash the PC.
                3. File I/O - Copying or moving files is painfully slow. The PC hangs for ages trying to calculate the estimated time.
                4. Stability - Internet Explorer can simply stop functioning and a message box appears asking you to debug or close.
                5. Windows Defender hogs CPU time - to run some of the latest games, I must disable it or it will interfere with gameplay.
                6. De-fragmentation - There is no longer any output or a clear indication of how the process is proceeding. It has also been automatically scheduled, which I disabled.
                7. To support my dual core 64 bit CPU, I'm expected to pay several hundred dollars to upgrade to Vista Ultimate. Bite me!
                8. Aero - An unnecessary resource hog, the UI is over-complicated and cluttered.
                9. Responsiveness - Vista makes a dual core 64 bit machine with 2GB of RAM, feel like a 386.
                10. Compatibility - I have a lot of older programs that will not function correctly and there are no updates available. This amounts to increased expenditure.
                11. Disk cost - The install image was around 13GB (windows directory is 10GB alone) and all files are copied to the Windows dir, not just the ones you want to install.
                12. Dialing home - A significant increase in communication with MS HQ via the internet without active consent.
                13. Start menu - just annoying to use.
                14. Search features - indexing hogs CPU time, disk I/O interrupt both gameplay and video playback.
                15. Supplying Vista on machines that don't have DirectX 10 hardware means gamers will be forced to replace hardware or complete laptops to play latest games.
                16. Permission system screws up applications unless you know what you're doing.
                17. Trying to use Outlook Web Access fails as DHTML support does not exist in Vista. This means having to patch the Exchange server at your home or business.

                That's what I just recall off the top of my head, there is a lot more. To top it all off, it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of value that XP cannot do.

                It took 6 years to develop Vista, I really wonder what the hell they were doing. If they're trying to convince me that Vista is the result of 6 years hard work, I'm going to laugh my head off as MS has been taken for a ride.

                Billions of dollars on what amounts to a paint job and slowing things down. Its beyond a joke.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#11 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 5:14 PM EDT
                gecko85

                I've experienced the same thing with File I/O, when helping a friend backup some files to a USB thumb drive. It took so long I thought something was broken. Everything about the process was slow. (This was on a brand new laptop with 2GB ram and a Core 2 Duo processor...)

                • 1 vote
                #11.1 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 5:49 PM EDT
                Dennis M Wright

                So I take it DT that you voted for "I think it's great but has a few niggles" ?

                ;-)

                • 1 vote
                #11.2 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 5:52 PM EDT
                Deep_Thought

                So I take it DT that you voted for "I think it's great but has a few niggles" ?

                lol

                I think there should be an option, 'I wish I had a choice'.

                • 2 votes
                #11.3 - Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:55 AM EDT
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                chill

                upgraded with a new laptop.

                crashes often

                should have waited too many software conflicts - annoying

                • 1 vote
                Reply#12 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 5:44 PM EDT
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