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I'm all Joost up

Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:46 AM EDT
technology, television, internet, tv, computers, skype, internet-tv, viacom, joost, kazaa, internet-television, streaming-internet-tv, peer-to-peer-technology
By Dennis M Wright
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I had all but given up on getting an invite to become a Joost beta tester, but my invite arrived on Friday while I was at work and I've had little opportunity to try it until today.

What is it?

It turns your computer into a TV set that gets content streamed over the Internet. It only streams, no downloading in advance. To overcome the bandwidth challenges, it uses peer-to-peer technology related to that used in KaZaa and Skype. Note that Joost is brought to you by the creators of the above-named technologies.

Does it work?

In a word, yes. You get acceptably smooth full-screen TV on a laptop. Modest amount of compression artifacts - it's not like playing a DVD. I have though noticed a tendency for streaming to start noticeably macro-blocky then improve as you watch.

I suspect the designers are using a variable bitrate system that allows streaming to start at lower quality, to avoid the usual delay with streamed content while you wait for content to "buffer". There is still buffering going on in the background and as the buffer gets big enough to support higher quality the bitrate increases and the picture improves.

If you're not familiar with the idea of buffering, it works by delaying start of playback until the PC has collected all the frames of video that correspond to say the first minute of the show. It then starts playing with the computer carrying on receiving video frames roughly a minute ahead of what is actually being played back. That way it can absorb a temporary hold-up of up to one minute in Internet streaming delivery without impacting playback at all.

What is there to watch?

Not much to be honest, but it is still in beta. There are plenty of channels and shows but it's National Geographic type stuff, car reviews, some interviews with rock stars, some rock concert footage, a few indie films.

Not exactly a washout but hardly compelling content for beta testers. Still it's about testing the technology. The worthwhile material will come when Joost is launched. A deal with Viacom was announced last month.

When is Joost launching?

May.

Any issues?

I couldn't use Joost from the office because of the firewall/proxy, which is fine by me. I can run it from my laptop anywhere. I've just checked it out from a free public wifi in central Manchester.

I can't though run it from my ageing PC at home. It complains it can't connect to the network, which is odd because I can use it from my laptop over my domestic wifi, so it's not like it's a problem with a blocked port on my router. Reading through the forums there are quite a number of people having technical problems and it can fail to work for no very logical reason.

Verdict

Joost may struggle to resolve all the technical glitches by May but I guess it will work fine for the vast majority of users with recent equipment. For those people the experience will be fine and the interface is very nice and user friendly. With deals being done for decent content I think this may well be a hit.

There is streaming only, no recording, but what you get is a menu of shows not a time-based broadcasting schedule so there is no need to record anything. You can't though record anything "for posterity".

Can you have an invite off me?

No. Apparently I now have to earn my right to give away invites by using the service. To date I have 0 invites available.

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Jim Dent

Can I sign up for an invite when you get them? :-)

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:38 AM EDT
Dennis M Wright

I knew that was coming! I've had a couple of requests from friends already but I'll see how many I get.
;-)

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:49 AM EDT
Jim Dent

Um... I did give your article my vote.... :-D

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:13 PM EDT
JoulesBeef

yeah invite Jim

hey Jim when Dennis invites you, um you think you could invite me? after all i am supporting your invite?

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:32 PM EDT
Jim Dent

Sure Joules!

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:33 PM EDT
JoulesBeef

we can start a vine invite chain.. i agree to give up an invite to another viner who agrees to do the same.

  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:26 PM EDT
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Eyes

What about costs? Is it meant to be a cable/satellite/whatever t.v. replacement or just another means of getting information?

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:35 PM EDT
Dennis M Wright

I think it's free - paid for by advertising.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:30 PM EDT
Eyes

Oh. Sweet.

    #3.2 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:40 PM EDT
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    Maaz

    I got an invite from Greg a while back (when it was Venice Project), and didn't like it too much. But I keep hearing lots of good stuff about it, so I'm thinking of updating to Joost. Not that I'm qualified to comment, but I don't see this working, but then again when you think of who made it, It has got to work.

      Reply#4 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:26 PM EDT
      Famous November

      When it opens to the public, what will happen to the speed? (I'm obviously not too up to speed with peer-to-peer, but will the increased number of "peers" allow content to be shared quicker or will it actually slow the service down by using more bandwidth?)

        Reply#5 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:58 PM EDT
        David Villavicencio

        I think with P2P the more peers there are the faster the speed should be.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#6 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:35 PM EDT
        Peter Merel

        Um, there's already the excellent P2P Democracy Player with more content than anyone has time to watch, a large community of its own, and so many snazzy features it's not funny. Apart from serving as a Viacom distribution channel, what makes Joost a contender?

        • 4 votes
        Reply#7 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:55 PM EDT
        Jim Dent

        Peter, that looks interesting.. have you used it? Got any feedback?

        • 2 votes
        #7.1 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:43 PM EDT
        Peter Merel

        I've been using it for 6 months. Works great, all open source, endless feed of endless channels on every subject you could possibly imagine. Come home and there's Zefrank, Askaninja, sixties TV nostalgia, nature documentaries, leftist TV, indie cartoons, deep tech discussions, vintage toons, NBC news ... really, the depth and breadth of content is overwhelming.

        I can't imagine what Joost could do that Democracy Player doesn't already do, and really very well indeed.

        • 4 votes
        #7.2 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:16 PM EDT
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        Dennis M Wright

        Stop press. I just gave Joost a quick try at the office and it now seems to be working, even through the corporate firewall and proxy, although some shows appear to be unavailable. May be unrelated.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#8 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:44 AM EDT
        Dennis M Wright

        Stop press 2.

        Joost has now decided to start working on my old desktop for no more obvious reason than the reinvigorating powers of a reboot.

        Odd that it took a couple of goes to get working with an old PC and when faced with a firewall, but suddenly got there. Well there you go.

        The old PC is being replaced next week. Just as well - Joost is unwatchable on it, jerky or just freezes for 20sec at a time. 900MHz Athlon and 256Mb RAM - just not good enough. Joost does need a reasonably modern PC - certainly not something 7 years old.

          Reply#9 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:55 PM EDT
          Henry VII

          I also tested Joost and I found most of the material to be second-rate. If they can get actual channels and programs that I want to watch, it will be a great program. As yet, I've had enough documentarys about sharks or rappers. Better things to do with my time. Let me watch the UEFA games or something.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#10 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:46 PM EDT
          A. H. Min

          Joost is OK. As Pharaoh said, the content is horrible. Maybe they could do something with companies like CBS, who already have tons of content (like CSI and Survivor) online.

          And I hope they DON'T let just anyone post. Though maybe letting well known vloggers (like Rocketboom or dl.tv) on would be a good move.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#11 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:22 PM EDT
          Ryan Joseph

          I'm excited to try Joost. I signed up to beta test months ago, but haven't heard anything. I guess you never know, though...could arrive today, I suppose. :-)

          Democracy looks sweet, too...I'll have to try that when I get home tonight.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#12 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:06 AM EDT
          Ryan Joseph

          By the way, Dennis, I love your description of yourself by your picture. Can I assume that you have a Wii, then?

          • 1 vote
          #12.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:12 AM EDT
          Dennis M Wright

          I bought my son one. He has it at uni but we (wii?) make him bring it back with him whenever he's home. Everyone in the familii thinks it's great.

          The Wii has single-handedly transported console gaming from the domain of the introverted couch-potato teenager to fun for all the family with some free exercise thrown in.

          Bravo to to Nintendo for using brains not brawn (the latter in the sense of say Sony just doing more of the same with their PS3 but piling more processing power and pixels in and racking up the price).

          • 1 vote
          #12.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:20 PM EDT
          Ryan Joseph

          The Wii has single-handedly transported console gaming from the domain of the introverted couch-potato teenager to fun for all the family with some free exercise thrown in.

          Agreed. My wife and I got one about a month ago. We love it! We invite friends over just so we can all play. It's excellent. :-)

          (sorry for distracting your thread...let's see, how can I tie this back in...ah, I know...) Do you think Joost will work on the Wii browser? :-)

          • 1 vote
          #12.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:08 PM EDT
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